Commuting to Gibraltar?
Posted: 17 February 2009 01:58 AM  
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I would really like to move to Spain, but would have to work. The problem is that I don’t speak sufficiently fluently in Spanish to work in Spain itself. I have been looking at jobs in Gibraltar, and was thinking that if I lived somewhere on the coast between Estepona and Gib, I could quite easily commute to Gib every day by car.

Does this sound feasible, or is crossing the border every day going to be a complete nightmare?

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Posted: 17 February 2009 05:39 AM   [ # 1 ]  
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lot commute to Gib and feasible, crossing the border every day my need to here some think i pick up some where eles

In a nutshell, the advantages are:

Great location if you?re interested in Andalusian (inland Andalusia) and/or North African culture, and like being near the sea. However, be prepared to take advantage of all the benefits life near the ocean can afford, e.g. enrol in a yacht master?s and/or diving course (however, quite a few nuclear submarines have probed the waters here, so you might grow a third eye in the process!), buy a canoe and get paddling, etc., otherwise you?ll be bored out of your brains! It?s best to have a car rather than using unreliable, local transport to visit such great cities as Seville, Granada, Cordoba, etc.

Weather is generally mild in comparison to the UK, but don?t come expecting radiant sunshine and hot weather year round. Gibraltar is often cloudy, rainy, and only warm/hot for about five months of the year (May-October).

Gibraltar is as safe as houses, unlike La L?nea (Gibraltar?s immediate neighbour Spanish side). Even as a woman, you can roam the streets at four in the morning, and nothing will happen to you, unless you?re extremely unlucky.

Gibraltar is bilingual. However, bear in mind that whilst Gibraltarians are schooled in English, they prefer to converse in Spanish. Therefore, you?re more likely to hear ?patatas fritas? on the street than ?chips?, even though signs are in English.

The disadvantages:

Employment in Gibraltar, and along the entire Costa del Sol, is limited for the natives, let alone foreigners who don?t speak Spanish. As a general rule, and due to my own personal experience and the experiences of those I?ve met in Gibraltar, the recruitment agencies here are a waste of space. A common practice amongst these agencies is to advertise jobs that don?t even exist, just to make the purpose of their existence seem purposeful or to market the region as prosperous and especially industrious. It isn?t. Apply to companies directly. Bear in mind that if you want varied and meaningful employment, Gibraltar, and this region in general, should not be considered. Most jobs are occupied, naturally, by Gibraltarians, which is how it should be. However, this means that it is often hard, albeit impossible, to get those more coveted roles due to Gibraltar?s insular, exclusive nature. Your best bet as a foreigner, and especially if you don?t speak Spanish, is to apply directly at the many online gaming companies, such as Ladbrokes, Party Gaming, etc. The pay will not be particularly good, and the employment monotonous and dull; think of customer service and shift work, which really screws with any kind of social life of which you might have dreamt.

This region, with few exceptions (I?m not, of course, referring to Seville, Granada and the like), is bereft of culture. Basically, one can ?do? Gibraltar in a day. There are theatres, but no decent amateur dramatics societies, and no theatrical troupes of any repute visit this region. There is one museum. Enough said. Locals put on the occasional art displays, but for a culture vulture, these are small and largely disappointing. After you?ve been to the cinema, the bowling alley, played table tennis at the local community centre, you?d better hope you have your yacht master?s to save you from despair! Bear in mind, it?s not really feasible to water ski for seven months of the year, and you need to make friends with people who have boats in order to gain access to them.

The cost of living in Gibraltar can sometimes be much more exorbitant than even the UK. As salaries are not great, most people will have to resort to living in the incredibly unattractive commuter town of La L?nea de la Concepci?n. Speaking as someone who, for the most part, loves Spain and is bilingual, La L?nea is an unfriendly, poor, unsafe (for foreigners and Gibraltarians) and backward backwater. There will be some expats for whom La L?nea is safe and nice enough, but for the rest of the discerning populace, people live there because they have little choice. Living further up the coast makes having your own transport indispensable. The Costa del Sol (with few exceptions, such as Malaga) is made up of soulless, high rise apartment blocks wherein live plenty of expats of Two Pints of Lager and a Packet of Crisps fame; the sort who should never have been let out of the UK in the first place. If you?re in your twenties and thirties, quite well educated, and more quirky than the average, you?ll be bored beyond reason. Go to Seville, Barcelona, Granada or Cordoba to live. Expats here (a minority are of a pleasant mixed bunch), are, in the main, older than the average expat residing in Spanish cities; married with kids; less well educated than your average expat, love the Spanish weather and sadly little else, and to whom ?the Prado? means some sort of Spanish Morris dance. Okay, maybe this is a tad snotty, but you get my drift. Essentially, these expats are not here to learn Spanish and/or anything about the Hispanic culture, look with disdain upon the immigrants back home, whilst forming their own sullen and insular little Brit ghettos over here. Hence, anyone who thinks assimilation is a little more than creating exactly the same kind of lifestyle as you did or didn?t enjoy back home, should look to emigrate elsewhere. If living along the coast, commuting to Gibraltar for work, although hundreds do it, is time consuming and tiring. If you?re doing shift work, magnify this scenario several times. The sweet guards at the Gibraltar/Spain border regularly stage little politically/racially-motivated, throwing toys out the pram tantrums, which mean several hour long delays at the border. If working a 10 hour shift in Gibraltar and residing in Spain, you might be wondering why you didn?t take that high paying job in London.

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Posted: 17 February 2009 05:41 AM   [ # 2 ]  
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Part 2

In essence, you have to ask yourself whether the Spanish home in the sun is what it?s cracked up to be. The miniscule difference in monetary exchange means that Spain is currently no longer the bargain for expats. Salaries in Gibraltar, given the exchange rate, have in effect fallen approximately 30 percent in two years. Spain?s Costa del Sol is often not that sunny in winter and cold as hell. People get bored here as in most places. If you want year-round heat and sun, a fun and multi-cultured atmosphere, a variety of job opportunities, exoticism

Not me talking again found some where

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Posted: 17 February 2009 07:21 PM   [ # 3 ]  
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jurdyr has given quite a comprehensive reply!
You can find this topic in posts in the archive with more info - should you need it!!!
My quick response is..
OK to work in Gib if it is the only place you can find work.
Cost of living/renting in Gib limited/prohibitive costs.
Make sure you understand all the ins/outs of having ‘dual residency’ (i,e if you work in
Gib but live in Spain you come under Gib/UK for tax eetc… but Spain for health cover -
You will need to get the ‘relevant certificate’ for latter from Gib/UK employer!).

Lots of red tape!
Gibraltarians can be a bit insular 😉

etc, etc…
Good luck!

NB - There is work for Eng speaking only folks on costa del sol..
you just have to find a ‘good’ employer and weight up contracts, health care and all that here too!

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Posted: 17 February 2009 08:37 PM   [ # 4 ]  
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susanspain not me , that did the post this Article but did fine it some where and looking for the link and when found will posted
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Posted: 17 February 2009 10:24 PM   [ # 5 ]  
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I’ve often thought of living in Sotogrande or Casares and commuting to Gibraltar to work, but I think the poor salary (compared to London and, I think, the rest of the UK) and the fact that there isn’t really that much to do on the coast when the sun isn’t shining makes it pretty limiting.  My ideal lifestyle would be 4 days in London, 3 days in Spain (Friday - Sunday)...still working on that!

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Posted: 17 March 2009 01:16 AM   [ # 6 ]  
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Hola

Not much else to say as I think it has all been said, however, a friend of mine commutes 3 times a week and he uses a moped to get in and out of gibraltar, he has everything packed in a bag that will fit on his back and he sails through the border without too much hassle.

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Posted: 28 March 2011 01:28 PM   [ # 7 ]  
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you still believe it is this way 2 years later? times are very tough here in the south of spain, but show signs of getting better, and contrary to what jurdyr has said i have got responses when applying through recruiting agencies, the problem I have had is getting the VISA situation worked out since I have residencia and I am not a citizen in Spain…from what I have seen their are a few towns seem fairly good, La Linea, Manilva, Estepona is a little far but u just have to find the right place that works out for you, i personally would prefer to bike across the border anything in a 5km radius from April to November…any new thoughts regarding this way of thinking….on living in spain and commuting to the rock, or any experiences?

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