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Advice needed - TV and FM socket wiring in Spain
Posted: 04 June 2009 10:12 PM   [ # 16 ]  
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satandpcguy wall of shame , I think

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Posted: 04 June 2009 11:32 PM   [ # 17 ]  
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jurdyr - 04 June 2009 10:12 PM

satandpcguy wall of shame , I think

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The stuff to the left is even worse…. (I *finally* got the software here to accept *this* picture too, although it and the 8 previous iterations all open perfectly well in any of the 6 picture viewers/processors on this PC, Microsoft and non-Microsoft)

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Posted: 05 June 2009 12:18 AM   [ # 18 ]  
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i have pm you there and all i can say HoleSh1te , whats cooking ...... well who ever put that in must been on the pot ....  By law you have to mark you fuse box and in Brobcasting we do that aswell ..... this is bag off cock ups waitting two go up on fire ....  12volts can go up in smoke faster then 220 volts
there water damage on that wall ...... all unit sould be racked mounted off the wall ....

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Posted: 05 June 2009 12:21 AM   [ # 19 ]  
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first impressions - jeeezzzzz

no FM aerial on the mast.
it looks like two aerials configured the same…(yellow and small black one!)
nice big aerial looking at another transmitters for analogue..

nice neat cabling..jurdyr sums it up well!

personally i would get the community involved ASAP and get it sorted out for analogue and or digital…,

jurdyr - 04 June 2009 10:12 PM

satandpcguy wall of shame , I think

one of the worst i have seen!!

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Posted: 05 June 2009 02:31 AM   [ # 20 ]  
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can you take more photos please show the cables and all the bostter units and send two me please , want to make it out better

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Posted: 05 June 2009 03:32 AM   [ # 21 ]  
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This installation is a little bit messy, patch cords are hand-made, no isolated connections, etc and in effect the fm module is there only to consume energy.

I would say that the alcad modules are > 10 years old, long time ago i’ve been working on sat and terrestrial antenna installations, and this remember me the models i installed by that time.  The “paper-clip” antenna could be an FM, but I think it’s there for some other purpose or it’s part of a broken antena. Specially for FM you need omni directional antennas and this sort of antena is directional (TV basestations are ubicated at one place,fm basestations are spread around at many locations).

Would be a good idea for the community to rework the installation and update it to new tdt.


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Posted: 06 June 2009 11:12 PM   [ # 22 ]  
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jurdyr - 05 June 2009 02:31 AM

can you take more photos please show the cables and all the bostter units and send two me please , want to make it out better

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As requested, here are some hi-res pictures of the setup, from which you should be able to see
more.

The modules *are* mounted on a frame, except the bottom fixing of the 905-S (marked channel 39).

The coax in, to the 905-S, has an injector for 12v from the power supply, which I guess goes up to
power a masthead amplifier. The power supply is fed from a 230v socket, which in turn is fed from a
fusebox in the room.

The coax chain then goes to the 6 905-Gs (marked channels 42, 45, 59, 62, 65) and the three Teko
MP13s (marked channels 56, 57 and 57), for which the 12v power is jury-rigged via the white cable.

The outputs are likewise chained together, from the 905-S onwards to the last MP13 (it’s a trick of
the photo that it looks as if the final coax cable comes off the earlier one, but it doesn’t).

This coax then goes to the Alcad DE-219 distribution box, which *is* fixed directly on the wall (but I
doubt if it sees any DC so perhaps it’s just sloppy rather than dangerous?), 1 in, 3 out.

And the three outs go back into the wall, down three conduits. One of these conduits is the one
from which the coax from the roof comes; also in there is a CAT-5 network cable, which goes into
another hole, on the left, where the telephone wires are a mess I don’t even want to think about (and
fortunately don’t have to).

The FM module just sits there on the rack, powered but not connected.

I reckon all the 905-Gs date from 1992 when the building went up, and the 905-S is a later
replacement for a channel 39 905-G module that failed, perhaps.

The Tekos look like a later addition; were channels 56 and 57 not used in 1992? And why 2 channel
57 modules anyway?

Or are these perhaps for TDT?

Also attached is a better picture of the aerials; that bottom one still looks like an FM dipole to me,
rather than a broken aerial for something else…

The line of the building faces NNE/SSW, so the aerials are probably pointing SWS (top two) and SE
(bottom 2, though the dipole is facing 90 degrees to that..

I bet the top aerial was added later than 1992, though. Is it a ‘digital’ aerial? Is there indeed such a
thing as a ‘digital’ aerial rather than just a ‘better’ aerial?

And re the 905-Gs; do these need replacing by ‘digital’ amplifiers, or just supplementing?

And again, is there such a thing as a ‘digital’ module, rather than just a ‘better’ module, to decode
what, despite being TDT, still arrives (if I understand it correctly) as a multiplexed signal on an
existing channel?

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Posted: 07 June 2009 01:13 AM   [ # 23 ]  
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as i said before currently TDT uses channel 58 or 62, 66 to 69…with some regional variation - and some more local digital channels on other frequencies
you can get one module that covers all four 66-69 frequencies
tdt1.com or tdt.es will tell you what channels are being used for TDT in your area.

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Posted: 07 June 2009 07:07 PM   [ # 24 ]  
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satandpcguy - 07 June 2009 01:13 AM

as i said before currently TDT uses channel 58 or 62, 66 to 69…with some regional variation - and some more local digital channels on other frequencies
you can get one module that covers all four 66-69 frequencies
tdt1.com or tdt.es will tell you what channels are being used for TDT in your area.

Thanks, but:

tdt.es declines to give any results for Frigiliana (29788) and gives conflicting results for Nerja (29780), compared with tdt1.com

How lame is that?
What should I believe?
When analogue switches off, does that mean Frigiliana gets nothing?

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Posted: 07 June 2009 07:35 PM   [ # 25 ]  
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Midnight_Voice - 07 June 2009 07:07 PM

Thanks, but:

tdt.es declines to give any results for Frigiliana (29788) and gives conflicting results for Nerja (29780), compared with tdt1.com

How lame is that?
What should I believe?
When analogue switches off, does that mean Frigiliana gets nothing?

go with tdt1, as that is based on what the tranmistters are sending out, TDT can be a bit economical with reception reports….

but yes many areas will not be covered by TDT transmitters, and therefore will not get any digital TV…hence why they are looking at the possibility of launching their own version of “freesat”, ie digital chanels from TDT on satellite.

but many areas who may struggle are also getting more local transmitters built just to try and give as much coverage as possible.

and it will also depend which PHASE you are in
Fase I 23 d?as
Fase II 207 d?as
Fase III 301 d?as

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