success stories - state education in spain
Posted: 15 March 2011 06:58 PM  
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Hi There

We are seriously thinking about moving to the region of Valencia.  We will be bringing our 2 lovely children with us who are 5 and 3.  Our 5 year old is currently in reception at an amazing school and our youngest is due to start there in Sept.  Our main concern is that whatever we read about the education system in Spain, it always sounds very disappointing.  We cannot afford to put our children into an international or private school system and really would like our children to go to a local state school both from an integration and language perspective, but I am finding it hard to make the decision to take them from an outstanding school here into an education system that I am being told isnt going to set them up well for their working and adult lives.

We are embarking on spanish lessons and tuition for our entire family and hope this would help with integration but I would really love to hear from people who have experienced the spanish school system at primary school level and have been happy.

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Posted: 15 March 2011 07:14 PM   [ # 1 ]  
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I hadn’t heard such negative things about the Spanish school system. Can you point us in the direction of a few examples?

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Posted: 15 March 2011 07:30 PM   [ # 2 ]  
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Hi there, we have gathered this information from other forums and articles online, under general searches.

This is the main reason why I have posted the message as I am absolutely positive there are lots of people out there that have success stories and some really great things to say about the spanish education system.  When we intitially considered spain we were under the impression that the schools are good, so we too were surprised by some of the negative feedback.

I just wanted to chat to people who have had real experiences and great things to say…

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Posted: 15 March 2011 07:37 PM   [ # 3 ]  
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I don’t have kids myself but a good friend of mine have two boys who have done well in the system. No complaints that I’ve heard of, with the exception of the challenges of putting the kids through it all in Catalan (they’re in Barcelona). The kids are trilingual now (at 8 and 11) and, while they’re not exactly big on gym class, they show great artistic talents. There’s a lot of weight to the argument that it’s really more about homelife than the school system as regards the future success of children.

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Posted: 15 March 2011 07:40 PM   [ # 4 ]  
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Thank you, that is really great to hear…

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Posted: 17 March 2011 04:00 PM   [ # 5 ]  
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I’ve got a 5 year old boy, 6 & 7 year old niece & nephew. Educational policy is decided mainly by the autonomous government. Here in Galicia policy changes with the colour of the government, with PSOE & Nationalists in charge there were free schoolbooks and classes were in Gallego language, with Partido Popular the free books are gone and more classes are in Castellano, but the mix between castellano/gallego seems fluid and depends on the school. In pre-school and primary school I’d say that this short-termism is the only problem. Our boy’s school is fine, the classes are interesting, apart from general class he has gym once a week, english twice a week, computers once a week, music and a nature class. In infants and junior school I think that the system works fine and is as good as anywhere else. My son was born here and has a Spanish mum, although i always speak to him in English he’s naturally more comfortable with castellano, when he’s older he’ll need extra help with English to be fluent, remember all those spelling tests at school?
Where I’m not sure that the Spanish system is so good is in secondary education. Although some teacer friends have tried to explain to me, I’m still a little unsure exactly how it works. It would seem that from 12 years to 16 years one studies COE, this is the basic secondary education, at 14 years one can decide to either study sciencias or letras. This seems to be the the only choice, within the two streams of course, phsical education, spanish, english and mathematics are compulsory, there is a choice between religion and ethics, then sciences study physics, chemistry and bioligy whilst letras study litrature, latin, philosophy (there’s more to the curriculum but I haven’t mastered it yet). At the end of each secondary school year the teachers decide whether a child is up to standard in each subject, if the child is not sufficient in three subjects he can be made to repeat the year again, and again. At the end of compulsory secondary education the child will be awarded his COE (or not). There are no grades as such - either pass or fail. This may be why the failure rate looks so high here in Spain, you either pass everything, or else you fail everything. There is no streaming in classes either, I know that some teachers do not like streaming, but I’d prefer my child to be streamed.
At 16 years the child can either study BUP which is the course necesary to enter university or he can follow vocational studies. BUP again is split Sciencias or Letras, although there may be more specialisation here ( foreign languages for example).  What happens at these ages though, is a cloud to me at the moment, nobody, including my wife has yet been able to explain exactly how this part works (or I’m being very dim).
If a child chooses university, his choices will depend (apart from his personal preferences) on his grade in BUP the better the university and the more popular the course the higher BUP score required. Examples here in Galicia are 9.44 for medicine in Santiago or 7.4 for agricultural sciences in Ferrol.

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Posted: 24 March 2011 03:06 PM   [ # 6 ]  
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I am so sorry it has taken me this long to respond but I have been away…thank you so much for such an informative response.  I really appreciate the time and care you have taken and you have really helped us so much.  I hadnt even considered secondary education so this has really provoked us to go out and do even more research and look at length at secondary education too.

I was aware of the system where the child gets to choose either a university path or vocational one, but didnt know the correct terminology for this…

Again, huge thanks, a very interesting read.

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