Cultural (business) differences
Posted: 02 July 2008 05:48 PM  
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Hi everyone,

Since a while I am living in Spain and work within a Spanish company.
During this time I experienced some difference in work-style.
I found out that there is a lot of hierarchy within in the company. Every manager or supervisor has certain limitations in making decisions, therefore certain things take a while before they eventually can be arranged. I know that I live in a different country now but sometimes this is a bit frustrating, because it all can be arranged much quicker.

Also the power of the bosses in the highest regions of the company is quite huge. If you asked for approval and you received an OK, then at the last minute they decide you can’t go through with it…

I am wondering how you all feeling and what kind of cultural business differences you found out. Do you experience the same? Is this relateable to the country where you are from? How would these situations be handeld at home?

I am really curious about your reactions!

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Posted: 02 July 2008 06:33 PM   [ # 1 ]  
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Sam2185 - 02 July 2008 05:48 PM

Hi everyone,

Since a while I am living in Spain and work within a Spanish company.

Me too.

Fun isn`t it.

During this time I experienced some difference in work-style.

Me too.

I found out that there is a lot of hierarchy within in the company.

In mine comes with politics as well.

Every manager or supervisor has certain limitations in making decisions, therefore certain things take a while before they eventually can be arranged.

My experience they don`t listen either.

A new manager arrived in 2006, fresh from University.

He wouldn`t accept advise from a senior member of the team who whilst wasn`t graduate ability had been with the company 10 yrs.Senior managers wouldn`t get involved, they prefered to accept mistakes from the new manager.

Also the power of the bosses in the highest regions of the company is quite huge. If you asked for approval and you received an OK, then at the last minute they decide you can’t go through with it…

My Senior Manager for Andalucia region over ruled a decision by the Service Director of Spain, in front of me.

That was funny, the decision by me and agreed by the Director would have improved productivity, but because the director moved from the USA to Spain only 8 months before and the Regional Manager has relatives on the board of the company, he has more power.

I am really curious about your reactions!

My immediate manager has been with the company 30 odd yrs, everybody was spoken too with a swear word, everything Hijo De P…. this, Joder that.

When any senior mangers arrive, he like a pussy cat following them around with the hands behind the back, everything “Si Senor”.

In the UK, (the same company I worked for in Both UK and Spain) we have “Team Meetings” once a month, we disscus issues and problems to our Managers.

Who then go to head office and have the same kinda meeting.

In Spain, we have the meeting after the Managers, they arrive and tell everybody how bad everything is.

The one thing I`ve learned in Spain is that they don`t work as a unit, all trying to solve a problem.

I had an issue with some software, I`d already taken the usual steps, but they didn`t resolve the issue, so i approached my manager, explained that i needed a replacement or go of line and speak to IT.

He decided to spend 5 hours doin what i had done, but he repeated the same steps over and over, after 5 hrs he replaced my unit and contacted IT, I was left to catch up on the 7 hrs missed work.

I was told they don`t like to contact outside help in case its monitored by Head office, they prefer to try to resolve issues themselves, i pointed out that head office monitor the production that has been delayed, so they`d know and they probably would have prefered the issue resolved within an hour by IT than 7 hrs without.

I then got a shrug of the shoulder and “Typical Spanish” and a laugh.

My wives family are Spanish and a cousin of mine works for a lift Service company, there vehicles are a pile of crap, the tools are pathetic and he`s always moaning about similar problems to me.

On a visit to the UK once he noticed the same company he works for in Spain is based in the UK as well, we were walking in the street when he noticed there van with a guy in the back, he couldn`t believe the van and the equipment the guy had, even their uniform was better.

You see it a lot if you travel between Spain and the UK now that there are companies in both countries and I have to say the UK tends to look more presentable.An Electrolux guy came to fix our Washing Machine last year was driving what looked like a death trap with wheels, didn`t look as if he`d shaved or washed in weeks, smoked in our kitchen whilst at the back of the thing, grunted a lot, then disappeared for a month.

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Posted: 05 July 2008 02:20 PM   [ # 2 ]  
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Lol!  I just enjoyed reading these two posts.  It is how I imagined it… ‘Thanfully’ I have never had the experience.. (Have been here 10yrs but always worked for Brit firms, following Brit protocol - infact - oops! there has never been a Spanish national employed within these co’s… ummm.. Makes me wonder how they would have coped!).

UK based friend - but offered permanant Facilities managers job in Madrid (which he took) - wished he never had! (In fact they tried to make him a scape goat when somthing major went wrong - but he was glad to leave and return to his old job!)...

I now understand a bit better why when one calls a customer service dept - (anything from Movistar to X) one gets pushed from pilar to post!

Still looking for work at mo.. but think it will be with another Brit outfit!
sj 😉

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Posted: 05 July 2008 06:17 PM   [ # 3 ]  
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i do work for Movistar and outher phone comapnys and its pian in the but
when i work for small company it lot easyer . spain is land off ma?ana

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Posted: 05 July 2008 06:51 PM   [ # 4 ]  
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jurdyr - 05 July 2008 06:17 PM

spain is land off ma?ana

Manana doesn`t actually translate to tomorrow, it has no direct translation in English, but it means “other day in the future”, but we use it as tomorrow.

Confusion seems to be the main reason for Spain being slow added to a reluctance to change.

You see confusion used in everyday situations.

At our xmas do or frankly any large gathering, the guys would order drinks and deliberately confuse the bar staff, which usually results in less being paid after an argument.

They pride themselves on paying less for something whenever they get the chance.

This shows in my work, if somebody has made a mistake or forgot something, they`ll all argue and drive you in circles on purpose.Which then results in you giving up and scratching your head as to what the hell they talking about.

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Posted: 05 July 2008 11:37 PM   [ # 5 ]  
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Santi - 05 July 2008 06:51 PM

At our xmas do or frankly any large gathering, the guys would order drinks and deliberately confuse the bar staff, which usually results in less being paid after an argument.

They pride themselves on paying less for something whenever they get the chance.

This shows in my work, if somebody has made a mistake or forgot something, they`ll all argue and drive you in circles on purpose.Which then results in you giving up and scratching your head as to what the hell they talking about.

I think there’s a special insight in what you’ve just pointed out. Perhaps it’s the secret formula for dealing with Telefonica?

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Posted: 06 July 2008 03:00 PM   [ # 6 ]  
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The Expatriator - 05 July 2008 11:37 PM

I think there’s a special insight in what you’ve just pointed out. Perhaps it’s the secret formula for dealing with Telefonica?

Best wat to deal with Telefonica is to leave them.

If you go with I think its Jazztel, you don`t need a Telefonica line.There are a few poping up now that can operate without connection to Telefonica.

In Pais Vasco they have Euskatel, which is run far far far better.

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